Okay Here are some Pearls

Many people say that the law is done away with. If you ask "Well what about the ten commandments?" they normally say, "That is the moral law, you still have to keep that". Please will someone show me in scripture where you find this? Torah is God's teaching and instruction. Yeshua (Jesus) sat with Moses for 80 days on Mount Horeb and taught him the Law. Every last one of the 613 commandments in the Torah is a subsection to the Ten Commandments. If you take a step back from the Greek thought you have been brought up in and think about it, The Ten Commandments are the ten types of laws and even the Ten Commandments can be boiled down to two.

Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, strength. And where do you think this is in the bible? Well yes Yeshua did quote it. It was a quote, almost everything that Yeshua said was a quote. This one is from Deuteronomy 6:4&5 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength." This is the greatest command. The second is like it Love your neighbor as yourself.

If you look at the Ten Commandments you will see that they are ten ways to love the Lord or to love your neighbor. If you look at all 613 commandments in Torah, you will see that they are 613 ways to carry out one of the ten commandments.

I challenge anyone, get your pastors and teachers to help you, to find me one thing in the Torah that has been done away with. Yeshua commanded you at least once to keep every single part of Torah, and his diciples reinforced them as well.

Also John 1:1-14 the word "word" here means written instructions. Yeshua is the Torah made flesh. Even with how lacking Greek is if you do a real bible study on this section of scripture you can not honestly walk away saying that Yeshua is done away with. Because my friends when you say that Torah is no more you are saying that Yeshua is no more, and that is a sad state to be in.

And for the last point. Rabbi Shaul, commonly refered to as Paul was the Attorney General of Israel. He was a disciple of Gamliel, he was blameless in Torah and in the Talmud. The Talmud or oral tradition was passed down from the time of Moses and before, really since Adam, and is the rulings on the Torah. It gives us silly things like you can't have a cheese burger, and even more so you can't have meat and dairy within 48 minutes of eachother, or even have meat and dairy in the same fridge. This is a group of rullings on do not boil a kid in it's mother's milk. So we see how rediculous this rullings become. This Oral Tradition or ORAL LAW, is what Rabbi Shaul is speaking of in Roman's and Galatians that is a curse and self-righteousness.

For these rullings are the actual original sin. You see the original sin was Adam took what God said as a commandment and made it even harder. God told Adam, do not eat of the tree of good and evil. What did he tell his wife? Do not touch that tree. So when the serpent came, this is why he asked, "Did God really tell you, Eve, not to touch the tree." Eve was decieved because she did not know, and infact that is not what God had told her.

I could go on, but I will leave you with this for now, this should be enough to keep up discussion for a few days

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Anonymous rights:

Romans 7
1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

Nathan writes:
Though we are dead to the Torah, we should still continue to do our best to follow Torah. Why? Because Torah is good! Many people feel as if the law is bad, but it is not bad--because it shows us our sin. It does not make us sin, but rather our sinful nature makes us sin.

Yeshua did get rid of the punishments for sins, did He not? For instance, we no longer stone adulterers or homosexuals (thank goodness...) but rather we are to show them the grace that Yeshua showed. Of course, getting rid of the punishment does not mean that the commandments to not engage in adultery or homosexuality are not still valid--rather we are to share with those the freedom found in Messiah Yeshua.

Zack writes:

Yeshua took our punishment for sin. When you commit adultery, fornication, homosexuality, or any other perversion/sin unto death, Yeshua is perpetually killed for you. And the scriptures are also very clear that anyone who lives in these sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and be thrown into the lake of fire.

As far as us, if you have not committed any perverse thought or act in your life you can cast the first stone to physically kill them. The fact is we have all committed sins unto death, and it is only by the blood of the perpetual lamb that we are saved from our just deserve.

So you are right about how we are to treat people, not because the punishment is different, or removed, but because God has forgiven us and we are obligated to forgive others for what they do against us. IE the servant who owed his master 10 lifetimes of debt, was forgiven, but would not forgive a days wages from his brother.

PS the Talmud is the oral traditions that the Jew's follow and actually hold as more important than Torah it's self.